heres how it goes in airsoft....

[rig]

I guess it's just where you play. I've seen plenty of "experienced/serious" teams in green.

Probably the point that is missed in all this is... Mutual respect. Everybody deserves the same consideration when it comes to the game experience. There are plenty of "noobs" out there that can ruin a game or reak havoc on the forums. It really goes both ways as far as disrespect. People new to the game have a responsibility to learn the rules, follow them and play the game. They also have a responsibility to do there own research and learn a little on there own. I did. I don't expect anymore from people than I do myself. On the other side. If I can help someone, I do. I think everybody with experience should. I really don't think the "tan/vets" should takee the blame in all of it though. Lazy people with little regard for the game or rules because it doesn't suit them should be called to the carpet too.

[79stang]

Very true Rig.

[sdk1968]

sure Kyle...

Green has lost many a scenario even at MAM just because the Green side isnt "trained" and only a few of us like Snakey Demon Ghosteater & me have actually played together on multiple occasions now.

if i was worried about "winning" id have worn my TAN outfit and took advantage of that from day one when we figured that out pretty quick.

while i love competition and have no problem with winning a scenario, winning is not why we play.

and its sure not a reason for me to "change sides".

we've seen this at several fields that in most occasions the "host team" just wants to use the open plays as a practice round for their "travel games" and to slaughter the hapless Greenies..

THATS part of what makes it fun for guys like snakey, demon & me... we try to spoil your plans as much as possible, as often as possible.

and naturally since theres no "pressure" on us to win, it makes it much more relaxed and fun to achieve some success at TAN's expense.

while its important for TAN guys to practice together and so on, its also important for the hobby itself that there are "good" players on both sides to make it fun for everyone and get/keep new players interested.

if its just a TAN slaughterfest at every game that happens? you wont keep new people who didnt have a good time just being targets or had no chance from the onset.

we play Green on purpose knowing that its a disadvantage to us. its definitely a challenge when you know the TAN team has the advantage & expects to roll over you.

makes the smile on my face that much bigger when ive killed a few.

:-)

[rig]

Winning... That's a broad term in airsoft. Winning means a lot of things to different people. Not only that, it's meaning can change from game to to game. Here's where it comes into effect with the "respect" part I'm talking about. If you're playing an objective based game with points and missions. Not a real strict MILSIM. Maybe a moderate one. Now, half the players are are trying to "win" the game. You know with points, the way the organizers laid the game out. Now, 25% are trying to win by getting the most kills. Another 25% are trying to "win" the game by not being killed. Basically half the players are playing there own game. They may not realize it. But, they're ruining the game for the other half of the players. I think the respect part should be being aware of the other guys on the field and why they're there not just why you are there. Sometimes "winning" is getting the most kills or putting up the best fight you can before you're over run. But, not always every game.

We all have reasons why we play. I just think we all need to be more aware of why other people play. Cause odds are they are not the same reason. the more we can compromise with each other. The better people would get along.

And I'm tellin ya SDK. If you come down south to play and you want to be on the side that gets beat on. You'll have to go Tan. In NC when the leaders of the sides are picked. They go out and recruit teams to play for them. So, the side with the numbers and quality players depends more on who does the most recruiting.

[TheSkeleton]

Still gotta say. Zebra team and Giraffe team were the best team labels ever.

[sdk1968]

LMAO

we dont "lose" EVERY scenario. but as Kyle mentioned the "trained" team does have a good advantage.

its more of an underdog type thing and most everyone likes those to win.

as far as it goes for improving my own game? being on the underdog team or less skilled team is good for that. you have to work HARDER for everything positive that happens and working is what i do best. (same for Snakey & Demon, we all work very hard in real life and anything we do is about giving 100% effort)

if you know your gonna win, wheres the challenge in that? that would be boring as hell if you always knew the outcome....... would kinda defeat the purpose of playing for me.


we've made a lot of new friends since we started playing and shot the sh@t with many more, this is way more important than who won.

this is also why we mainly do open plays, that way having a good time doesnt get in the way of "winning" for those that think its important.

we always play to win, its just not important or anything we get upset over if we lose or even get pounded.

people need to remember:

its only plastic and its basically a 150' game.

lots of people forget this and think its real or has the same importance.

its just time out with the guys away from work and honey do's. :-)

[jonahm740]

At one of the "super serious" milsim events the raiders attended we dubbed ourselves "Task Force Unicorn" and "Task Force Pixie Dust". We even had a patch idea worked up that is so far off the line of appropriate I won't re-post it here . Airsoft SHOULD be about fun, first and foremost. If you take yourself to seriously what the hell is the point.

[rig]

I thought this thread was about respect for each other. Not how low key(airsoft is just a game) cool you guys are.

And SDK. It's is real life and death if you have to walk 200 yards uphill back to respawn every time you get hit. Well, it is for us old out of shape type people.

It is just a game and it is just for fun. If ya want to be a tier 1 operator. Be one. If ya want to be a casual player. Be one. To tell you the truth. The 21/2 plus hour drive I have to go to make a game concerns me more.

[jonahm740]

Don't worry Rig, you can join Task Force Unicorn if you want. While it's neat you think we are cool nobody on the Raiders don't take the field to be "cool kids", we are in it to have fun plain and simple.

[sdk1968]

Being "cool"? im not worried about that. my kids tell me im the "coolest" dad in the world THAT is enough "coolfactor" for me!

we derailed this thread on about the 3rd post. :-) but it was my thread & the conversation is both fun and ranging.. so it doesnt bother me where we take it.

RIG, trust me making the "dead man walking" trip when you play at MAM or FallenWarriors is NEVER an easy or short trip.

as you said: if we're trying to win the scenario sometimes you have to be the sacrifice in order to expose whats really going on with the other team.

thats mainly the "jobs" i supply. push, recon, draw or divert........ you've been playing this game a long time so you know, that means you go out get a kill or two, maybe 3 then your a deadman and thats that.

Snakey, Demon, Nicky & me are about 2 guys short of having a good solid squad that can contribute to about any game as needed... we know how to work together and take objectives which can help out any game for either color who needs us.

for me having people know & respect us as players and invite us to their games for either side because they think we're good representatives and decent people is just icing on the cake.

:-)

[rig]

Aug 15, 2011 5:48:14 GMT -5 jonahm740 said:

Don't worry Rig, you can join Task Force Unicorn if you want. While it's neat you think we are cool nobody on the Raiders don't take the field to be "cool kids", we are in it to have fun plain and simple.

Hmmmm.... I do like patches. A raider owes me one anyways. I could handle unicorn way better than pixie.

[sdk1968]

cn you make him wear PINK CAMO's when he plays for that team? they do have them...

[79stang]

I think its the lack of team work that really frustrates me the most. I am generalizing, but it seems that most of the teams in Ohio are tan and a lot of the individuals are green. The Raiders are suppose to have both sets so we can go both ways (thats right, I said that). I am a milsim player so for me, winning the game (in an op) is about completing the mission. I remember that when we played at Roseville, it was suppose to be a lower level milsim, but ended up being an open play. No one wanted to work together and it was impossible to achieve the objectives, so we (green) were cut to pieces.

Now at our opens, we are so laid back it IS just for fun. Sean, you and I know that, but I guess you can look at it this way; opens you can basically do what ever because the objective is to have fun. In a milsim you need team work to complete the objective which is fun (That and joking with your friends, TFU FTW!!!!).

I think thats what I was trying to say, oh screw it, lets shoot each other.

[sdk1968]

Kyle.... its all good bud. we are "cool" as always.

and yes we can shoot each other as much as you want just like we usually do.

i totally understand about the teamwork and thats why Snakey, Demon and me play together all the time... that way we know we got at least 3 of us that will work together. :-)

getting you, JOnah or OldSpice on the same team with us for a round really makes a difference as mentioned cause then you have a small "squad" that knows how to work together.

in a lot of the opens we've played if you have 6-7 guys on a side that can work together its very competitive even if you dont win... its close.

like you said if its just 3 of us with a plan and everyone else is helter skelter its a slaughter and your body count looks great.

we promised you and Jonah that we would run tan sometime and we intend to do just that be it at a travel game with you guys or there.

i still maintain that some people take it too seriously.

hell there are times that i do, just like at this last open... there was "1 guy" who we killed a good 10 times in 3 minutes from 50-60'.. he never called any of the shots.

yep we (snakey, demon & me) all got a little "miffed" and let it get to us. that was our fault.. we knew to be the "better" players and not let it bother us. did anyway. see? we took it too serious there. we should have just let it go, slid to the side, got him in a cross fire and shot him in the head, neck & ears.

to even let it get to you and not just brush it off was wrong on my(our) part.

it wont happen again, as that was losing my FUN attitude and defeats the point of me playing.

gotta go to the mam thread here and give JOnah a shout out about a funny thing.

sean

[rig]

Aug 15, 2011 13:34:26 GMT -5 79stang said:

I think its the lack of team work that really frustrates me the most. I am generalizing, but it seems that most of the teams in Ohio are tan and a lot of the individuals are green. The Raiders are suppose to have both sets so we can go both ways (thats right, I said that). I am a milsim player so for me, winning the game (in an op) is about completing the mission. I remember that when we played at Roseville, it was suppose to be a lower level milsim, but ended up being an open play. No one wanted to work together and it was impossible to achieve the objectives, so we (green) were cut to pieces.

Now at our opens, we are so laid back it IS just for fun. Sean, you and I know that, but I guess you can look at it this way; opens you can basically do what ever because the objective is to have fun. In a milsim you need team work to complete the objective which is fun (That and joking with your friends, TFU FTW!!!!).

I think thats what I was trying to say, oh screw it, lets shoot each other.

That right there is the point that most people don't see.